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Bye-bye Bernie #1592506
22/01/2017 23:10
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Mr Ecclestone could be heading through the F1 exit this month, or even this week, according to the BBC.

The report also suggests a liaison role with the teams for Ross Brawn. Could we see the dawning of a new erase of cooperation and prosperity for F1 - and better value for fans?

Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592520
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Let's hope so, Jim. Silverstone ticket prices escalated at a stupid rate whilst quality of service dropped sharply yet they are talking about dumping F1 because they can't make ends meet. That's a crazy place to be at a circuit with some of the greatest attendance figures.

Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592539
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Indeed. It does seem like the new owners want to invest in the sport not just milk it for as much money as possible.

The BBC article suggests they want to ensure the historical Euro tracks remain as they are part of the history and they also want to start new races elsewhere presumably at the expense of the likes to Russia, Bahrain etc.

Hopefully they will end the historical payments to Ferrari etc which totally unbalance the sport.

Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592567
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Hope they new owners can address the ticket costs, I have baulked at the prices at Silverstone this year where they keep emailing me and are even offering interest free payment terms wtf!
It's lost so much support and will continue to do so unless something changes


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592584
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Is it on free to air TV this year? If not, I shan't be watching any of them... Bernie or not.


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592587
23/01/2017 20:42
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This is the last free-to-air year I think

Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592589
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I think 10 of them are live onchannel 4.

I thought I read somewhere that the year after they are all on sky except the British which is on the protected list.




Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592591
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Actually it's on C4 til the end of the 2018 season.




Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592592
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Reports this evening that Bernie has been forced out.

Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592607
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Thanks for that - I'd have expected to have seen some adverts for it by now!

How long before the first 'wouldn't it be nice if Bernie were back?' post?


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592609
23/01/2017 23:02
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quote "Asked about his future, he said: “My days in the office will be getting quieter now. Maybe I will attend a Grand Prix sometime in the future.

"I still have many friends in Formula 1, and I still have enough money to afford to attend a race.”

Cheeky bugger, most fans can't afford to attend them!

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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592615
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...but maybe just as many enemies, and he didn't say he could afford to go to more than one race! wink laugh


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592622
24/01/2017 07:37
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Clerk of the course: Right lads, slight change to corner 3, we've put Bernie's chair there so make sure you don't accidentally drive over him...


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: barnacle] #1592737
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We all like to call Bernie (me included) but I wonder what it will be like without him!? He did sort of make it what it is.

I would really like to get my hands on a good warts and all biography covering his life from hes early days in racing through becoming a team owner, promoting F1, getting TV rights etc etc.

anyone know of such a tome? confused


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592739
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I imagine the legal profession will be ordering yachts if the unexpurgated version got published.

Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592740
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Yes - I'd imagine everyone is waiting until he's gone to the great paddock in the sky before publishing

Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: came2dance] #1592745
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Originally Posted By: came2dance
...He did sort of make it what it is...


What? An overpriced, single-manufacturer-led sequential borefest?

The whole point of F1 at the moment is the enrichment of the rights holders, and nothing at all to do with the racing. The problem is that the new owners will see it all the same way... have you heard them? "We'd like more pre-and-post race crap, with lots of adverts, and even more expensive PAYG and live tickets"[1]

I'm all in favour of bringing back the old euro-tracks and getting rid of the newer 'I have a beeellion, please to make new track' places - but to be honest if the racing isn't there, what's it all about?


[1] I may have paraphrased a bit.


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592771
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New chairman is an ex Rupert Murdoch man, I think that says what direction F1 will go.


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592776
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I had noticed that...


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592779
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I saw that too. I'm hoping the "ex" bit is what counts. There seems to be a positive and hopeful vibe around F1, especially with the appointment of Ross Brawn.
The talk is of better racing, better races and better value for fans...

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Originally Posted By: barnacle
Originally Posted By: came2dance
...He did sort of make it what it is...


What? An overpriced, single-manufacturer-led sequential borefest?

The whole point of F1 at the moment is the enrichment of the rights holders, and nothing at all to do with the racing. The problem is that the new owners will see it all the same way... have you heard them? "We'd like more pre-and-post race crap, with lots of adverts, and even more expensive PAYG and live tickets"[1]

I'm all in favour of bringing back the old euro-tracks and getting rid of the newer 'I have a beeellion, please to make new track' places - but to be honest if the racing isn't there, what's it all about?


[1] I may have paraphrased a bit.



General admission prices for Friday to Sunday :

Spain..........£102
Austria........£87
Hungary......£81
Belgium.....£113
Italy...........£79

Britain......£179

Why so much more?


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: mikndo69] #1592819
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Originally Posted By: mikndo69



General admission prices for Friday to Sunday :

Spain..........£102
Austria........£87
Hungary......£81
Belgium.....£113
Italy...........£79

Britain......£179

Why so much more?



It's generally accepted that the British Grand Prix is one of the only ones (if not THE only one) that receives zero funding from national government. Despite the multi-million-pound technological industry in the UK that F1 fosters, the government sees no merit in backing the flagship event.

Although I'm no fan of Silverstone as a circuit (for spectating), I do feel sorry for the (perpetually cash-strapped and abused) custodians, whose only option for paying the previous rights'-holder to keep the race has been to shaft the punters.

I hope this changes, but it's hard to see how it will.

Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1592834
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Why the f*** are the courses paying the FIA? The FIA should be paying the courses.

An acceptable price for a day out is £20 or £30 at a push, not something that needs a mortgage for a small family.


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Re: Bye-bye Bernie [Re: barnacle] #1592862
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It does seem an odd arrangement. Guess that is why Bernie is so rich!

I'd go if the British GP was less. The only one I have seen was in Montreal. I was a student, and it didn't seem onerous even then!


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Originally Posted By: Jim_Clennell
Originally Posted By: mikndo69



General admission prices for Friday to Sunday :

Spain..........£102
Austria........£87
Hungary......£81
Belgium.....£113
Italy...........£79

Britain......£179

Why so much more?



It's generally accepted that the British Grand Prix is one of the only ones (if not THE only one) that receives zero funding from national government. Despite the multi-million-pound technological industry in the UK that F1 fosters, the government sees no merit in backing the flagship event.

Although I'm no fan of Silverstone as a circuit (for spectating), I do feel sorry for the (perpetually cash-strapped and abused) custodians, whose only option for paying the previous rights'-holder to keep the race has been to shaft the punters.

I hope this changes, but it's hard to see how it will.


What!? These guys?
British Race Drivers Club The guys that never invested tuppence in the place. Uk racegoers were still sat on grass or maybe a little concrete with plastic seat bases fastened down (thats after they'd mastered parking in unmarked muddy fields) until a few years ago. I can see your point though. i didn't realise they were so cash strapped tongue

and to put things in context:
Adam Ant £77.00
Black Sabbath £77.00 to £550.00
James Blunt £72.55
Killers Hyde Park VIP tx £299.90



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