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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: Cooperman]
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30/07/2015 16:56
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Close the tunnel for a few years. Problem solved!
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: magooagain]
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31/07/2015 08:44
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Close the tunnel for a few years. Problem solved! I like your thinking
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: Cooperman]
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31/07/2015 09:21
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Well closing the tunnel is never going to happen and I doubt diverting the ferries would do little more than moving the problem 100 miles up the road. There has been some suggestion of using MOD land instead which may be possible but I doubt it will be a quick fix. Operation stack will continue to cost us in terms of lost business and delays to both goods, services and the knock on effect on local roads means the effects radiate out further than people think. I was trying to get to Ashford and got trapped on a country lane after two Hungarian HGV's got stuck trying to avoid the queues, 2 hours wasted and another meeting missed
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: Cooperman]
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31/07/2015 15:26
31/07/2015 15:26
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glenn1960
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The people coming from Sudan, Nigeria and Somalia are our problem because.......?
I don't know why the French authorities don't just put them on a boat [ a very large one ] , turn left out of the harbour , head west a few hundred miles and then turn south and keep going until you arrive back in warmer climes .
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: Cooperman]
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31/07/2015 15:56
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glenn1960
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Do P&O do a Calais to Cape Town service ? Anyone who thinks this country needs another 3,500 here to pimp off the system, needs to think again. I quite like the idea of living in some exotic hotspot , but it won't do me any good camping out on their doorstep, gagging to get in. Even with trying to explain that Mr Cameron has made it very hard to survive in the UK with his austerity measures, I don't think they would listen. . Maybe I should tell the Turkish authorities next month that I fancy staying there indefinitely and see how they take that news.
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
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31/07/2015 16:49
31/07/2015 16:49
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Big_Muzzie
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I believe the problem belongs to the EU, we're just one of the few richest EU countries with the softest policies. The way to stop economic migrants (if they were just avoiding death then Italy and Greece would be far enough to run, France certainly would be) is to do away with a few more of the benefits. The conservatives have already started, it's only a few extra changes and the UK won't be so attractive.
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
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31/07/2015 17:52
31/07/2015 17:52
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glenn1960
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I believe the problem belongs to the EU, we're just one of the few richest EU countries with the softest policies. The way to stop economic migrants (if they were just avoiding death then Italy and Greece would be far enough to run, France certainly would be) is to do away with a few more of the benefits. The conservatives have already started, it's only a few extra changes and the UK won't be so attractive. or just get the hell out of Europe :), get Clarkson elected as PM, Nigel Farage as his deputy, then we can do what we like without European intervention [ then the ports would really be busy !! ]
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: Jimbo]
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31/07/2015 18:44
31/07/2015 18:44
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These refugees aren't bad people, please don't think the desperation they are showing to get to the UK is get on a benefits system. They might just want a chance at a life worth living. Sorry to hear of your wife's troubles Jimbo and glad to see she's having a good life now. However, the vast majority of the refugees haven't faced that and like Muzzie says the idea of the European Union is that they take refuge in the first country they come to. they choose to travel through Europe to get here because of the free living they believe we'll give them - and it has to stop, we can't afford to lose either the money or the jobs - this issue should be addressed by all of the EU not just France and England
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
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31/07/2015 19:11
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Do P&O do a Calais to Cape Town service ? Anyone who thinks this country needs another 3,500 here to pimp off the system, needs to think again. I quite like the idea of living in some exotic hotspot , but it won't do me any good camping out on their doorstep, gagging to get in. Even with trying to explain that Mr Cameron has made it very hard to survive in the UK with his austerity measures, I don't think they would listen. . Maybe I should tell the Turkish authorities next month that I fancy staying there indefinitely and see how they take that news. I wish it was only 3500 people . When the 3500 make it across there will be another 3500 filling the space in the jungle . Its not our problem its France who should be sorting this out and handing them back to Italy ,Greece or turkey .
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: Cooperman]
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31/07/2015 20:18
31/07/2015 20:18
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glenn1960
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Cameron's sorted it all out, we're sending some sniffer dogs to France and some more fencing...unbelievable !
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
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01/08/2015 15:00
01/08/2015 15:00
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Let's not forget that it's not just the unfortunate migrants causing these problems, but also striking seamen from a militant union blocking the roads leading to the ferry terminals in Calais.
Add some French farmers stopping foreign trucks they take a dislike to and/or barricading roads and a jolly good time is had by all.
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
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01/08/2015 22:40
01/08/2015 22:40
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Big_Muzzie
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France never had thatcher and hence their unions still pull.some serious weight.
jimbo, I have no issue with immigration / emmigration it's natural and the UK would be missing many doctors yet have too many trades folk (they've all gone to Australia) which is how it should work. The issue is the floods of ill informed people that think the place is paved with gold. Next time you're in the UK come to Bradford, you'll see what I mean.
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
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01/08/2015 23:10
01/08/2015 23:10
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Can't get all this "soft Touch" Britain nonsense.
The reason so many of them risk their lives to get to Britain is because they already speak ENGLISH. Most of the problem is our imperialistic past not the benefits system. We travelled the world and forced English upon the natives. When you are next on Holiday and get by perfectly without ever uttering a word of the language of your destination, you may like to realise just what that the negative aspect of that benefit may be.
So that's why they want to come to the UK - English, not benefits. The USA is having exactly the same issues, with south American migrants, at their borders.
It has also been shown that economically many of the EU migrants would actually be better off in say France or Germany, but if you don't speak the lingo you won't easily get a LEGAL job.
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
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01/08/2015 23:36
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Can't get all this "soft Touch" Britain nonsense.
The reason so many of them risk their lives to get to Britain is because they already speak ENGLISH. Most of the problem is our imperialistic past not the benefits system. We travelled the world and forced English upon the natives. When you are next on Holiday and get by perfectly without ever uttering a word of the language of your destination, you may like to realise just what that the negative aspect of that benefit may be.
So that's why they want to come to the UK - English, not benefits. The USA is having exactly the same issues, with south American migrants, at their borders.
It has also been shown that economically many of the EU migrants would actually be better off in say France or Germany, but if you don't speak the lingo you won't easily get a LEGAL job. Some of what you said is left wing spin . They risk their lives because they put themselves in danger . France is a beautiful country . You do know alot of these people are from Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia which the west has not interference in . How do you explain that . Or that their families have put up alot of money to get them to Calais . Why is it mainly single young men in their early twenties ?
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: Cooperman]
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02/08/2015 00:05
02/08/2015 00:05
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You do know alot of these people are from Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia which the west has not interference in . How do you explain that English is the most commonly taught second language so is a logical choice for them. European powers have interfered (as you put it) in the countries you mentioned. Britain in Sudan in the 19th and 20th centuries ,although governed by Egypt which was at that time a British protectorate. became independent in 1956. Italy in Eritrea until they were removed by the British in 1941, then annexed by Ethiopia prior to gaining independence in the late 20th centuary. Italy, France and Britain in different regions of Somalia until late 20th century independence.
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
[Re: PeteP]
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02/08/2015 01:33
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You do know alot of these people are from Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia which the west has not interference in . How do you explain that English is the most commonly taught second language so is a logical choice for them. European powers have interfered (as you put it) in the countries you mentioned. Britain in Sudan in the 19th and 20th centuries ,although governed by Egypt which was at that time a British protectorate. became independent in 1956. Italy in Eritrea until they were removed by the British in 1941, then annexed by Ethiopia prior to gaining independence in the late 20th centuary. Italy, France and Britain in different regions of Somalia until late 20th century independence. Recently say in the last couple of generations .Running away from your country is not to solve its problems and if your a legitimate refugee you cant pick and choose what country you would like to live in .Its has to be the first safest country from your homeland Whats the point in foreign aid if they want to come here . Sky has been covering this much better than the BBC . i was watching tonight when they interviewed a women called Samara from Syria . She is seven months pregnant and will not stop untill she makes it to England . She says all she wants to do is work . How thats going to work then . Has she a job ,money ,housing and education . Its good she says she wants a job but in reality its not going to happen .
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Re: Channel tunnel traffic & operation stack
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02/08/2015 12:09
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The view on here that carries the most weight is Jimbo's. Someone actually knowledgeable about refugees and their lives. The problem for many comfortable little Englanders is their total inability to understand what it means to live in the conditions that most people who flee their countries have to endure. If you could imagine what it was like to genuinely fear for your life and safety every day, you might appreciate why they would risk their lives to find any alternative. Of course some of them will believe that the UK is the best option, but if you look at the figures EU-wide for the number of refugees accepted, we aren't exactly at the top of the list. If we were dealing with the same scale of issue as Italy, I think we might have a better idea of how few people make it to Calais.
Robcoupe20VT - To accuse Bob of Left wing spin then say Sky offers better coverage seems to mean "coverage that better reflects my right-wing views". Try Al-Jazeera's coverage if you want another, often more balanced view.
Sky is neither left or right wing . Are you serious about Al-jazeera offering a more balanced view ? I get the point that they are fleeing civil war and certain death but the first safe country they reach should be the one they claim asylum . Jimbos has experienced a positive side of it but what about the negative side . More stain on housing ,nhs ,some will commit crime and eventually these people would like their families to be brought over . Have a look at wiki and see how many civil wars in the last 15 years . On the bbc this morning if a couple with a child claim asylum they get £135 per week plus a place to stay . I know somebody who lived in his car with his dogs for 6 months before the council could house him .He was born in the uk and so were his parents .
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