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Getting things off ones chest #1536925
06/05/2015 14:27
06/05/2015 14:27

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I'm in a quandary with a potentially explosive subject and just need to get things off my chest. It's a difficult subject and has impacts and consequences.

Do I go public and name somebody or do I mind my own business.
The person in question is causing problems and making a nuisance of themselves, they have been arrested and bailed and are expected to go to trial in July.
This person is having a direct impact on my families business via social media although they are using a different name.
My families business revolves around children and was one of the catalysts leading to his arrest.
The time scale is ridiculous, and that this person is free to loiter around schools begs belief. We're certain he's broken bail conditions relating to individuals that he's not to be around.
There isn't any doubt about his guilt as it turns out he has previous orders relating to children in a different county (which took months for the police to get the information from Surrey police)
It is almost public knowledge with rumours abound but the general populace doesn't know. This person is sneaky having almost completely removed himself from all searches on the Internet and social media.
It's affecting me personally as I was a victim of childhood abuse which most of my family don't really know about. I know this isn't really the place for this subject but I just needed to say something to someone.
Help

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536930
06/05/2015 14:37
06/05/2015 14:37
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Naming the guy might jeopardise the trial or lead to vigilante attacks.

My advice would be stick to the legal channels (although I appreciate this is sometimes dificult!)

Sorry to be brief and 'clinical'... Just my initial thoughts!



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Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536931
06/05/2015 14:43
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Yes agree, seek legal advice before your next move.

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536932
06/05/2015 14:44
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I just needed to hear it, thanks.

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536933
06/05/2015 14:45
06/05/2015 14:45

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Sounds awful. If he's a kiddy fiddler feed him to the pigs.

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536935
06/05/2015 14:51
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If you haven't already inform the Police asap - if he's a risk / pest then it needs to be dealt with
Next I'd contact the social media sites in question asap and have his accounts suspended.
Legal advice third.


It's what I'd do anyway! (if I knew I couldn't bundle him into a van ....)

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536939
06/05/2015 14:56
06/05/2015 14:56
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Contact the CPS, tell the people managing the case.

What he was convicted for in the past he is guilty of. It may be evidence of guilt for what has happened now, but it does not mean there is no doubt about guilt. That sort of evidence of often excluded from trials because it makes people strongly think someone is guilty but is weak evidence of it.

If you have evidence that may help secure conviction, or evidence of breaching bail conditions, share it with those who know how to use it.


Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing? (John 7:51)
Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536942
06/05/2015 15:27
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I don't think I should say what he did, he didn't go to prison back in Surrey, he had his children removed.
He simply up sticks and moved up here. Why are these people always involved in charitable volunteer roles? He was a first responder.
Social services were involved and my family were asked to keep an eye on his current child.
He blames our family for bringing further attention to the child and his subsequent arrest and removal of his computer and mobile devices.

He doesn't say anything meaningful. But when he still used his own Facebook account he would comment and like photos of the children. My other half is deeply intimidated by this and reported everything.
Now it's started again under different name(s)

He's been seen at the family home and this has been reported, he's even threatened a social worker with witnesses and nothing has been done about it. The police just don't seem to care.

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536943
06/05/2015 15:28
06/05/2015 15:28
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What Emjay says (unsurprisingly!).

Acting on your own personal feelings could (inadvertently) end up tainting evidence against this person or assisting his defence.

It must be hugely frustrating, but give the experts as much factual assistance as you can and hopefully the problem will be effectively solved.

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536957
06/05/2015 16:57
06/05/2015 16:57
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You have to report everything upwards to the correct channels!

My wife has to do this when children confide in her at school! there are no two ways about it, no matter what, it must be reported to the correct channels! also keep a diary of it so you can confidently refer to it without looking like you are making it up or guessing! the diary could be admissible as evidence in court if the case warrants it!

I hope everything goes the right way for you

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536959
06/05/2015 17:03
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Good call on the diary!

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1536967
06/05/2015 18:05
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This sort of thing annnoys me - people like nissansteve trying to go through the correct channels and it's basically being ignored, yet someone who is innocent gets hauled through everything by the likes of social services.

I think you need to keep reporting whatever you see or hear Steve and push things along. These things are swept under the carpet all the time and if/when something does happen, it always turns out that the person was known, something could have been done about it, etc., but wasn't.
Then, special measures are put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again, ffs.

Good luck Steve and I hope he gets pulled in sooner rather than later.

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536976
06/05/2015 18:57
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Thanks guys, I'll hold off on the sandwich board outside his house. Good idea on the diary I'll get onto it.
Great support here, the forum can always be relied on during the hard times.
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Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536979
06/05/2015 19:13
06/05/2015 19:13
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Agreed on the above. You could ultimately end up on the wrong side of the law yourself if you are not careful.

I would keep your powder dry and follow protocol. Squeaky clean always looks better, particularly if you ever have to give evidence. You don't want anything which could be used to discredit you.

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536986
06/05/2015 21:03
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All good advice. Whatever you do, do not make an anonymous call to the local papers informing them that the police know that a man, who has history as far as children are concerned, is hanging around a certain local school and are doing nothing, do not name him and do not say that the parents of the children at this school ought to be aware of the possible dangers.

Re: Getting things off ones chest [Re: ] #1536998
06/05/2015 22:21
06/05/2015 22:21
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Some very good advice and the only thing I would add is to print any social media posts that are suspect that you can use as evidence also. It would be very easy to fly off the handle given the issue and keeping a cool head although difficult is essential. I really do hope this is resolved for all your sakes ASAP.


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