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2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! #1461733
05/12/2013 20:05
05/12/2013 20:05
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Now then, what do we have here? A Coupe without a turbo that still gives over 200bhp, now that is very satisfying! A couple of years ago Joe from FCSS decided to transplant the 2.4 engine from the Stilo Abarth into a Coupe, and why not because it's a very nice fit smile Couple this with a remap and the results were pretty dandy. A trip to Spa proved it's credentials, but this engine is game for more and Joe decided to raid his parts depot. First up was to ditch the VIS system in favour of the earlier Coupe 147 inlet manifold, especially as another 2.4 non VIS Coupe that he had converted had soundly trumped his own after mapping laugh The second step was a set of C&B 20v turbo cams that he had from another engine, now the combination of the two changes did not disappoint.

202bhp @ 6019rpm
190lbs/ft @ 4853rpm
169 wheel power @ 5890rpm

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The difference as the dyno graph shows is very profound, massive gains everywhere. The increase in airflow was so great that the standard injectors could not cut it running far too lean, so I introduced the 330cc injectors from the 20vt giving plenty of headroom compared to the original 182cc injectors (see how we are recycling parts here!)

On the road it really does deliver with the instant response expected from a normally aspirated engine and devilishly addictive power delivery. The sound at the top end is just awesome, you could be forgiven for thinking it had ITBs! At the recent Castle Combe track day, which was wetter than wet, well the 2.4 NA came into it's own and gave such a sterling performance against all and sundry. A true Coupe champion, if not one that Fiat ever intended...


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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461737
05/12/2013 20:32
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nice write up Flea and good work Joe thumb

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461739
05/12/2013 20:36
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Wow! I want :-)

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461741
05/12/2013 20:49
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Take a look at the dyno video on Facebook!


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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461742
05/12/2013 20:54
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How much of the power gain would you drop for the 8c temp change and slightly higher ambient pressure?

Good work mind you! How does that compare with a std 16vt? Must be pretty close performance wise!

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461747
05/12/2013 21:16
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There is a correction factor as shown on the graph for temp and barometric pressure, so this equalises power according to a standard range.

On the road/track the difference is huge, you can really feel gains on a normally aspirated car as they are hard won!


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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461748
05/12/2013 21:19
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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461749
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Very impressive Flea as usual smile

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461750
05/12/2013 21:35
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The torque figures are phenomenal and plenty of it in the lower engine rev range too.

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461754
05/12/2013 22:48
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Would like to see it with the stilo 2.4l c&b cams wonder what difference it would make

Well done both for getting this far shows you don't always need a turbo

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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461757
05/12/2013 23:01
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Great fun this car, the torque makes it a completely different animal to any other coupe. The perfect coupe I would stay..just over 200bhp..no turbo to go wrong,oil cooler to burst, inter cooler in the engine bay.

I would certainly swap my turbo for a 2.4na.


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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461778
06/12/2013 00:45
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Thanks for the write up Leighton, it's a cracking car to drive, Castle Combe proved this as the other 20vt's on track couldn't catch me tongue

The engines output is well matched with the standard turbo 5sp box and Visco drive but I'm thinking Quaife to protect the diff.

MrsCC is very impressed with the modifications and can't wait to drive this with aggression next year, a return to Spa in 2014 chinny

It's very unique, accelerates like a missile and honestly sounds like it's running on ITB's, an outcome I never expected love but we've taken this as far as I can and any further adaptions will spoil it as a road car so we'll leave it here....... for now smile

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: ] #1461779
06/12/2013 00:45
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Originally Posted By: TurboJ
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This is Soooo true laugh

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461879
06/12/2013 13:59
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Good effort !

Going to show my ignorance. What's an ITB?

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461882
06/12/2013 14:19
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ITB's: Individual Throttle Bodies.

Great effort from FCSS and FCP!

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Gunzi] #1461887
06/12/2013 14:57
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Originally Posted By: Gunzi
ITB's: Individual Throttle Bodies.
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Also known as the sex! love love love

Awesome Joe/Flea, I'd love to see and hear this in the flesh.



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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1461968
06/12/2013 19:49
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What a sterling job -- i saw the video last night, sounds good, still, I think i'd miss the pfft/whoosh of my own mind you -- but good work none the less, very impressive what you're eeking out of these old motors wink.

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1462004
06/12/2013 23:51
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Originally Posted By: Flea
if not one that Fiat ever intended...


Fiat did build one protoype in 1999 with a 'new engine' and a wider body. Rumoured to be a 2.4 turbo out of the Abarth Stilo with 260-270 bhp, a 2.4 n/a with 190bhp and were looking into Diesel as well. For Japan there were talks about a 1.4. Emissions regulations made them rethink everything as they would be without a fast turbo version. They cancelled the entire project.


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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1462029
07/12/2013 09:57
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What a sound! This is something I've fancied since I got my car. Great work.

Kayjey, how did you hear about the prototype and what happened to it?

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1462078
07/12/2013 19:23
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Out of interest what sort of cost would take to mod a std N/A. Very tempting prospect: smile


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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1462379
09/12/2013 11:02
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szkom - first-hand from someone working in the automotive branche getting cars and parts ready for production, mixed with some info from 'others' (the 'rumoured' part) and spots from people local to Fiat (wider body) together with some strange stuff listed in Fiat technical releases at the time.


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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Cooperman] #1462433
09/12/2013 14:17
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Originally Posted By: Cooperman
Out of interest what sort of cost would take to mod a std N/A. Very tempting prospect: smile


It's been an easy build for myself as the parts were readily available from stock. If I'd had to of bought these in the parts alone would of been around £2k so not cheap really.

Here's the cars current spec:

Stock 2.4 Stilo engine.
Fiat Coupe 20vt C&B fast road cams.
20vt 330cc injectors.
Stock fuel lines and rail.
Fiat Coupe 147 intake manifold and plenum.
20vt 5 sp early gearbox.
FCSS short shift.
20vt Visco drive LSD.
330mm Brembo front discs and pads.
Koni adjustable suspension.
FCSS lowering springs.
22mm rear ARB.
Lancia Dedra front ARB.
Adapted crankcase breather system to collector.

Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1462473
09/12/2013 16:33
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That's two regular maintenance bills. That's cheap Joe. wink


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Re: 2.4 Coupe NA POWER!!! [Re: Flea] #1462479
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Such a shame that never saw the light of day. The more I drive my turbo the surer I become that the powerplant isn't as well matched to the GT nature of the chassis as it could be.

Joe, would I be right in assuming that a 20vt would make the best start point for a conversion like this?


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