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Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 13:47
20/12/2012 13:47
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MarioCirillo
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I brought a set of billies and eibachs a while ago. I fitted them to my car and the car was literally dragging on the floor. Joe at FCSS saw this an will agree that the coupe was stupidly low. We assumed the issue was the springs, removed them... and they did look unusually small. Fitted a set of FCSS springs and it raised the car up a bit. I sent the springs off to eibach to check and they confirmed there was nothing wrong with them and they were the correct specification for the 20vt. The car rides much better with the FCSS springs however it is still very very low. Nismo has Eibachs and Billies and my car is lower than his at the front! Even with the larger springs. So what on earth can it be??? I though the shocks - however they are under compression so not sure how it could be. Unless they are for a 16vt and not 20tv and where the spring seats in is lower? So my question is.... are the Bilstein shocks different for the 20vt and 16vt. How can I tell if mine are correct? They are fairly new and I can probably still make out serial numbers etc etc. Help.... Please
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
[Re: MarioCirillo]
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20/12/2012 13:53
20/12/2012 13:53
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Having looked around on the net they seem to be the same part! So why is my car so much lower at the front than most other coupes! ? ! ps. Before anyone makes a joke its still just as low when im not sitting in the car! Can someone with a coupe with Lips and Billies/Eibachs or FCSS Springs measure the distance from the floor to front lip please?
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
[Re: MarioCirillo]
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20/12/2012 14:00
20/12/2012 14:00
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ps. Before anyone makes a joke its still just as low when im not sitting in the car! dam.. my idea out of the window.
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 14:17
20/12/2012 14:17
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Also one other thing worth mentioning is that My dad said that when he put the springs onto the shocks he didn't even need to compress them they were that small. So do I have a dud set of shocks?
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 15:17
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Here you go Gunzi That's with the FCSS Springs that are around 5mm larger than the eibachs
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
[Re: MarioCirillo]
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20/12/2012 15:49
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Yeah I will need to remove the sock and measure it up. The dampers were brought from Alternative Autos originally so it unlikely they would have got it wrong but definitely worth checking! Thanks!
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 16:34
20/12/2012 16:34
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When mine had billies and Eibachs on it sat very low, yours looks fine.
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 16:38
20/12/2012 16:38
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That's what I thought however JBT recons my car is too low If I remember correctly his words were "you car is so fing low im scared im going to rip the bumper off when driving over cats eyes"
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 16:57
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Yeah I will need to remove the sock and measure it up. do you have big feet then?
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 17:01
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It's no lower than mine was Mario.
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20/12/2012 17:04
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Yeah I will need to remove the sock and measure it up. do you have big feet then? Ask your misses
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 18:17
20/12/2012 18:17
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even with fcss springs you shouldnt be able to put the spring on the strut without the spring compressors. that sounds weird to me. as for 16vt hubs i didnt think they fit with a brembo setup so that shouldnt be possible. what top mounts have you got? and what condition are they in? Id just get joe to solve this problem its quicker than pulling your own hair out
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 19:37
20/12/2012 19:37
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Joe's springs were compressed to go on as they should It was the eibachs that wernt
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 20:15
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well that sound right now to have a look at your hubs and top mounts.
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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20/12/2012 20:22
20/12/2012 20:22
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Joe's springs were compressed to go on as they should It was the eibachs that wernt No spring compression needed on the Eibachs isn't right and we said that on the day you were over, but looking at your picture the ride height looks spot on.
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
[Re: MarioCirillo]
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20/12/2012 22:09
20/12/2012 22:09
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I've got bilstein shocks with Eibach springs also Mario. Came streight off dads 2.4, and even 2nd hand covering around 4000 mile, when I took them apart to change the bearings they 'did' have to be compressed significantly to get the nut back on. So that to me seems strange if you have sent them off to Eibach and got the ok?
I think the car looks like it's sitting pretty sweet in your pic, doesn't look overly low at the front, and you can still see a noticeable gap between the top of the tyre and bonnet.
But going by what your saying, Something deffonatley isn't quite right, have you tried measuring the shocks and comparing against other bilsteins? Incase there are any differences there?
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
[Re: MarioCirillo]
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21/12/2012 01:54
21/12/2012 01:54
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My car is with Joe at the moment and has the billy - fcss combo. I don't have a pic with me right now though. Think there might be couple with it in it's delapodated state on the FCSS FB page. I'm pretty sure mine doesn't look as low as yours. In fact, I thought mine could do with the front dropping a tad more - aesthetically. Yours looks great in the pic mate. Always seems like achieving a balance between 'stance' and appropriate handling sensibilities / behaviour is a tricky issue with coops.
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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21/12/2012 03:07
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I think yours looks alright as well Mario. When i had the Bilstein + Eibach combo, it was really low but i thought that the age of the springs was a contributing factor. Heres a pic of it next to Sparkyman's coop which sits higher... As you can see, it sits pretty low too! Anyway, I still think that the Bilstein B6 and Eibach is a mismatch. There just isn't enough damper travel once the eibach has been preloaded under the cars weight. The B6 isn't meant to be paired with lowered springs.
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
[Re: MarioCirillo]
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21/12/2012 05:24
21/12/2012 05:24
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Easiest option out of all this is to junk the billies (sell them on) and get some coil overs.
You can get the ride height just how you want it then when you change your mind at all you just get the C spanners out again and start winding until happy again
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
[Re: MarioCirillo]
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21/12/2012 08:51
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I had koni they were like u said very hard and abit low for me
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Re: Bilstein Shocks
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21/12/2012 09:55
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Anyway, I still think that the Bilstein B6 and Eibach is a mismatch. There just isn't enough damper travel once the eibach has been preloaded under the cars weight. The B6 isn't meant to be paired with lowered springs. I was making sure, actually, when I bought mine. Phoned Bilstein in Germany and I have 1st hand info they fit with 30-40mm lowring.. Sure you cut the front bump stops?
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