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Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
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21/08/2012 17:35
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I'm after a bit of advice/opinions as I'm unsure what to change my X-type for.
I've had my Jaguar X-Type 2.0d for about 5 years, and the car has covered 175k now, and things are starting to go wrong, and I just want a change. I loved the car, I know its not a 'Proper' Jag, but I had it with all the toys, Piano Black dash and it looked and felt very Jaguarish; kind of like a baby XJ. I also managed to 50MPG when kept within speed limits. I now no longer need to commute so much for work (work from home now) but MPG is a consideration as my folks live 100 miles away.
I love the 159, and have always fancied one, but I can't decide which engine to go for. My heart says go for 2.4 as the extra power will useful, and make the car much more enjoyable, MPG will be quite considerably less circa 30MPG realistically, compared to 45ish for the 1.9. I've also heard that the 2.4 can have other problems and can a few things that go wrong. The 1.9 on the other hand is supposed to have a tried and tested engine, and more reliable.
Once I've decided on the engine, I am steering towards the 2.4, I need to decide whether to go for the Qtronic or manual.
Any thoughts would be great, and if you have one of the variants above would love to hear from you.
I have also been told by a specialist that tuning these can be problematic, as other components can/will need replacing updating ie clutch.
Thanks
Sal
98 Fiat Coupe 2.0VT 320hp 12 Jaguar XKR 5.0 SC Speed Pack 510hp 14 Volvo XC60 R-Design Lux Nav 180hp
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
[Re: Salmaan]
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21/08/2012 18:03
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I've a late 156 2.4 and my old man has a 159 1.9 with a remap.
Though the 2.4 does sound better in every day driving there really is little difference. 2.4 is a touch smoother and feels a bit torqueier (if thats a word!), 1.9 with a remap goes equally as well and does better mpg...
Go drive both of them, see what you think.
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
[Re: Salmaan]
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21/08/2012 22:23
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As stated, noise and out the box power the later 2.4 20v would be the one. But i understand the drive shafts are the weak point especially if tuned. I hear the pre face lift 10v 2.4 is bullet proof in 140-150 think the 136 is a different turbo. Sure i've heard reports on clearance issues as the engine sits low? I have the 1.9 16v 150 with a cheap tuning box it goes well, smooth and torquey and pulls almost to 5k. I was over taken by a bug eye wrx, from 40mph he did not fly by.. in fact he needed some road, he was a little shocked!! As was I. (must get a proper tuning box) the car handles well mine is the (Ti) and covers ground very well soaking up the bumpy b roads, still returns excellent mpg. Just make sure with the 16v and 20v that belts and clutch have plenty of life in them including the water pump which if worn out siezes and melts the belt. Also ensure the upper and lower wishbones and drop links are ok otherwise its clonk clonk clonk
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
[Re: Salmaan]
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22/08/2012 09:20
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I don't think the 2.4 got on as well in the 159 for some reason, maybe due to the extra weight but the MPG is awful for a modern diesel as Bridges says.
If I was buying a 156 I'd get the 2.4 again no question, I average around 45 mpg spirited A/B road driving. If I was buying a 159 I'd go for the 1.9.
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
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22/08/2012 14:19
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Thanks for the advice guys - Soo many people have said go for the 1.9 and get it mapped, may end up doing that.
Are the rest of the components able to bear the extra power and torque?
Also has anyone experience with the Qtronic box? I've never had an Auto - always hated them, but with so much traffic nowadays it would make sense to have auto in my 'economical' car.
98 Fiat Coupe 2.0VT 320hp 12 Jaguar XKR 5.0 SC Speed Pack 510hp 14 Volvo XC60 R-Design Lux Nav 180hp
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
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23/08/2012 09:26
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Out of interest, are you after a SW or a saloon? I know of a nice 1.9 SW already mapped for sale...
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
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23/08/2012 13:17
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Nello
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As per this thread from a while ago - I could not put up with the din my 159 1.9 made.......... Still nice cars though especially now the prices have crashed.
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
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23/08/2012 13:27
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I'm after a saloon actually - but I may be persuaded have you got a link? There seem to be plenty around, hoping to find a black one with red leather
98 Fiat Coupe 2.0VT 320hp 12 Jaguar XKR 5.0 SC Speed Pack 510hp 14 Volvo XC60 R-Design Lux Nav 180hp
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
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23/08/2012 13:36
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Thanks for that Nello, I think I'm going to have to go and test drive the different variants.
I certainly don't want it to be any noisier than my Xtype, which was only really a little noisy on a cold startup.
Every other day, the idea of the 3.2 Q4 jumps into my head and start looking at them on autotrader! Would love to but just can't justify the MPG for the second car!
98 Fiat Coupe 2.0VT 320hp 12 Jaguar XKR 5.0 SC Speed Pack 510hp 14 Volvo XC60 R-Design Lux Nav 180hp
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Re: Alfa 159 - 1.9 or 2.4?
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23/08/2012 13:46
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TimR
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I spoke to a 159 2.4 JTD owner a couple of years ago who reckoned he'd got it up to about 300BHP. Not sure on the longevity of it though and it was perhaps telling that he was driving a 156 that day
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