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Getting a wheel locking nut off #1249782
16/08/2011 17:53
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I seem to have lost my wheel locking nut and need to get the wheels off as I'm running dangerously low on my front brake pads.

It's after market locking bolts so the fiat one won't fit.

I've had a tool machined to try and remove these bolts, but to no avail and the removal tools you can buy on the net are rubbish apart form the proper ones costing over £150.

Does anyone one here in the London/Surrey area have any means to remove a wheel locking bolt? I will of course pay towards petrol and a few beers, but I'm really stuck. frown

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Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249787
16/08/2011 18:08
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if you go to any tyre shop they should have an impact tool to remove the locking wheel nuts , i had it done to the jag 2 weeks ago for a £10 to remove all 4 nuts as i fccuk'ed the locking nut key .

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249789
16/08/2011 18:26
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the locking wheen nut removers work well i thought as long as u hammer them on enough also could try using easy outs if u fancy drilling them yourself i did this on a saxo take a bit of time but cost about £3

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249796
16/08/2011 18:42
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Iain, I've just been to a tyre shop and the guy couldn't help me either. frown

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249800
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If it's at all possible for space you can weld a bolt on to the nuts.


I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: jimboy] #1249803
16/08/2011 19:01
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Originally Posted By: jimboy
If it's at all possible for space you can weld a bolt on to the nuts.


It's not unfortunately. I don't want to damage my alloys.

I'm going to take it to another garage in the morning and see if they can help.

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249804
16/08/2011 19:03
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What loving bolts have you got??

I've got some turbo sockets that work a treat!!!

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249805
16/08/2011 19:08
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I've got McGard locking bolts in mine.

How I lost that key is beyond me!!

You think your turbo sockets would work on these Marco?

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249806
16/08/2011 19:12
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Mcguards are the hardest to remove. The outer shell of the locking bolt spins, so its impossible for anything to grip.

Kwik fit offer removal at £5 per wheel, but they will most likely fail on the mcguards.

You are most likely going to suffer some damage to the alloys too inside where the removal tool slides on.

Drilling is the safest option to preserve your wheels, but it takes a very long time to get through the bolt, and the hot metal shards flying out may harm the finish of your wheels - they get VERY hot.


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Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249808
16/08/2011 19:17
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I've had these off many times before and I'm sure they don't spin. I tried the Halfords reverse thread jobbies. They caught when banged on with a hammer, but wouldn't grip enough to actually remove the bolt.

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249818
16/08/2011 19:41
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all of the mcgards ive used spin, and i have new sets in stock that do the same. Its to prevent people banging on a socket and undoing the locking bolts.


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Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249822
16/08/2011 19:45
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chisel the outer shell off wink

or as said drill its easier with easy outs as u drill a small hole then thread the easy out in these work very well as the harder you tur clockwise the tighter it fits in and turns the nut anti at the asame time

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Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249825
16/08/2011 19:48
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You can get new locking nuts/sockets from McGard, I did this for my Volvo.

https://www.wheellockkeys.com/homepage/deutschland/englisch/bestellung.php


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Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249830
16/08/2011 20:00
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I don't have the time Flea. After I get these out, I will never bother with locking bolts again.

Bloody things.

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249839
16/08/2011 20:36
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see if anyone nearby has a Dynomec kit ( used one at work ) did the business EVENTUALLY on my E class.

Be wary of drilling, as this makes it worse, as you harden the steel even more sometimes !! shocked ( unless you use a REALLY good bit, not that HSS shit. Stellite / TIN, but even they will struggle ).

If you can heat it up, you may get it started, but it all depends on how much you value the alloy wheel attached to it !!

been there, done it, what a nightmare ! 1st port of call would be to buy a NEW key & really hammer it in & try that 1st !! smile

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249845
16/08/2011 21:21
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I had the rotating portion of my mcgards welded then used a chisel, an impact drive and hey presto.

Took a while though!

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249846
16/08/2011 21:24
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I can't get near the bolt to weld anything on as it sits quite deep in the alloy, and I don't want to knacker my alloy. frown

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1249918
16/08/2011 22:45
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i have a welder and the locking nut remover sockets if u need bud

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1250141
17/08/2011 14:27
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Well I've finally managed to get these bastards out!!!!!!!!!!!!

After visiting 4 garages that hummed and harred, I took it to the garage that did my MOT.

The guy came out with a turbo socket(thanks Marco) and took all 4 locking bolts out in less than 10 minutes.

I'm so happy.

Death to all locking nuts/bolts!!!

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1250268
17/08/2011 19:30
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Who the daddy!!!

laugh

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1250272
17/08/2011 19:39
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Originally Posted By: Marco20valveT
Who the daddy!!!

laugh


Well, a little more help when I needed it yesterday would have been better. laugh

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1250458
18/08/2011 10:31
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Originally Posted By: Biggenz
I don't have the time Flea. After I get these out, I will never bother with locking bolts again.

Bloody things.


It looks to me that they were doing exactly what they were meant to do and doing it rather well judging by the hassle you had getting them off......

Lesson here is don't lose the bloody keys!!

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Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1250488
18/08/2011 12:07
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Not really. With the right tools they came off in no time. I'm sure a thief would have all the right bits.

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Not really. With the right tools they came off in no time. I'm sure a thief would have all the right bits.


Famous last words before biggy finds his coop on bricks laugh

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1250576
18/08/2011 16:23
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Mate where I'm from, you're an outsider if you haven't found your car on bricks at least once!

Re: Getting a wheel locking nut off [Re: ] #1250751
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Won't have locking wheel nuts anywhere near me now. I spent £190 a year ago getting 2 siezed wheel nuts (the ones with the collars) off a vauxhall frontera. After being quoted silly money by main dealer I bought some turbo nuts and impact drivers and had a go myself - and probably made it worse. Then took it to a local indi garage who claimed they could do it and who subsequently spent 3 days breaking various removal devices of theirs and in the end resorted to a cold chisel to cut them out (together with chucks of the alloys).
3 months later the head gasket went (probably not connected despite the violence inflicted) and had to sell it for little more than scrap in any case. How I hate cars.

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