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Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar #1135922
25/11/2010 20:08
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Another monster Coupe tearing up the tarmac... or 20cm of snow as can be currently found in Finland!

466bhp & 376lbs/ft @ 1.75bar

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Jari had found the limits of his old setup, so an FC Performance Stage 5 upgrade was in order. This is the most powerful remotely tuned Coupe in the WORLD... smile

Jari will have to wait until the snow melts next Summer to give it a good outing on track, but that doesn't stop him driving thousands of kilomtetres throughout the winter with his snow shoes on.

Next year will see the Coupe reach even greater heights, there are some very interesting developments taking place...


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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: Flea] #1135928
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Awesome!...

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1135933
25/11/2010 20:38
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what was the set up lieghton

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1135955
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Great stuff!

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1135962
25/11/2010 21:57
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Insane Coupe Jari...
Must be fun to drive.

Seems like boost is limited when going to higher rpm, by boost controller...
Will there be a time to try at 2bar boost and break the 500bhp limit - looks like it's near laugh

Possible theoretically with 2bars?

Ismo

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136120
26/11/2010 09:25
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Why would you run such high boost? Even with fully forged internals, is there no other way to get the same power more efficiently?

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136122
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Originally Posted By: Biggenz
Why would you run such high boost? Even with fully forged internals, is there no other way to get the same power more efficiently?


Yes a bigger displacement engine or much higher RPMs.

In real terms, the Coupe 20vt is very efficient with boost pressure. It's not uncommon to see Evos, 1.8T VAGs and YB Cosworths running 30-35psi or 2-2.3bar in order to achieve the same power.


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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136123
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Originally Posted By: ktm450exc
what was the set up lieghton


It's a GT3071R 0.86 turbo and custom cam timing.

Last edited by Flea; 26/11/2010 22:06.

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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: Flea] #1136129
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Originally Posted By: Flea
and custom cam timing.


Hmmm - tell me more....

When my C&B cams were incorrectly timed (as per the OE timing), the car was actually nicer to drive. When they were set up correctly, the peak power went up, but I lost some midrange

I'd be interested to know if there's a decent compromise somewhere between the two


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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: Flea] #1136204
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That graph looks great Flea - big old GT30 seems to come on boost very well indeed. smile

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136256
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damn, that must be quick.

Wheres the FC performance league gone??

Flea, ill be down to see you in the new yr. Had a couple problems to deal with!


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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136265
26/11/2010 12:56
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Originally Posted By: suba
That graph looks great Flea - big old GT30 seems to come on boost very well indeed. smile


really? - it's not hitting the desired level of boost until about 5,000rpm - 1 bar doesn't come up until 4,000rpm

Still, regardless of the effects of a 0.86AR turbine housing on a GT30, its an impressive figure and the traces look very smooth and stable


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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: Nigel] #1136283
26/11/2010 13:34
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builds power well as soon as it's on though. smile

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: Flea] #1136312
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Originally Posted By: Flea

466bhp & 376lbs/ft @ 1.75bar


Is this wheel hp or corrected engine power?
monster numbers either way love

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136370
26/11/2010 15:47
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standard manifold etc i take it? looks like a great fun drive whatever!

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136454
26/11/2010 18:07
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Originally Posted By: Marko_hr
Originally Posted By: Flea

466bhp & 376lbs/ft @ 1.75bar


Is this wheel hp or corrected engine power?
monster numbers either way love


Engine hp.


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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136457
26/11/2010 18:28
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Originally Posted By: suba
That graph looks great Flea - big old GT30 seems to come on boost very well indeed. smile


It actually spools up a good 300-400rpm earlier on the road so it's good response for a 0.86 GT3071R and a very broad torque band.

We have just built a performance engine with a GT3071R 0.64 that gives 1bar boost at 2850rpm in 5th gear!!!

Originally Posted By: Ismo
Will there be a time to try at 2bar boost and break the 500bhp limit - looks like it's near laugh

Possible theoretically with 2bars?

Ismo


The turbo isn't good for 500bhp, it may make a little more torque in the midrange but the 71mm compressor is right at the limit.


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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: Flea] #1136485
26/11/2010 19:37
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Leighton, get me a decent manifold & ex WG & let me break a few boxes please smile

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: Flea] #1136564
26/11/2010 21:43
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Originally Posted By: Flea
Originally Posted By: ktm450exc
what was the set up lieghton


It's a GT3076R 0.86 turbo and custom cam timing.


Leighton, is it a 71R or 76R, seems to be both mentioned in the thread? 71R yes?


Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: Saint] #1136854
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Originally Posted By: Saint
Originally Posted By: Flea
Originally Posted By: ktm450exc
what was the set up lieghton


It's a GT3076R 0.86 turbo and custom cam timing.


Leighton, is it a 71R or 76R, seems to be both mentioned in the thread? 71R yes?
He use a GT3071R 0.86.


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Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1136873
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Originally Posted By: Taz
Leighton, get me a decent manifold & ex WG & let me break a few boxes please smile


you wont have to i will be doing enough for both of us with same !

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1137430
29/11/2010 11:34
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Hi,

I just arrived from Norway to the cold Finland.

Yes, we have 20 cm snow and -20 degC at the moment and Coupe runs smoothly smile .

The next natural step in my tunig was to contact Leighton to get all out of the turbo, because I have been following his doings smile with Coupes and he is the best at the moment there is smile !! So, big thanks to Leighton and his remote work.

The turbo is more or less given out all it can at least in peak power, maybe 470...480 bhp would be possible by adjusting the cams a little bit differently. Higher torque is possible to get with higher boost, I have ran with 1.9 bar, but it comes down after 7000 rpm.

I'm really happy with the behaviour of the car, the torque is really something, eventhough there is no use to it at the moment smile .

I really wait for the next summer.... smile

-Jari-

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Must be interesting to drive in the Snow! laugh

how good is your handbrake for getting the car round corners? smile

Re: Finland :: Stage 5 - 466bhp @ 1.75bar [Re: ] #1137453
29/11/2010 12:01
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Actually it is really easy to run in snow, under 3000 rpm it is like any other NA 2L car, so for the winter use I do also have wide rev band to use, from 1500... 3000 rpm smile . Visco helps also alot in winter time. Only negative point is the low car, app. 8 cm free space under the car.

Handbrake is frozen smile , so can't use it at all. Left foot braking instead...

Last edited by Jari; 29/11/2010 12:43.
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Nigel,
in that 466 bhp dyno run the intake cam variator was not activated, which mean fixed 110 degree intake cam position.
But now because of the winter I use the intake cam variator, because without it there is now idle after cold start.

And what comes to the boost on the road, I can see what ever boost (1.8 - 1.9) I have adjusted in 4200-4400 rpm smile .
In fourth gear, 1 bar can be seen around 3400 rpm.

The truth is that GT3071R 0.86 is out of the map in 7000 rpm and boost above 1.4 bar, it start to act like heat pump.

-Jari-


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