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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2817R .64
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18/01/2017 11:33
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They will only ever flow so much though......
Dont really want to go down this avenue, but all dynos vary.
Find me another/any other car with a gt28?? making 460bhp Agreed, Yours only just did that with a gtx3076. As I have always said ,the easy way of seeing what a car will do is calculate an average 90ve engine and work out the compressor maps online for all turbos . Easy to predict within 5% of the power it will get . So jack your 200bhp shy of what your turbo can do ,I would get it put back on dyno .
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2817R .64
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18/01/2017 16:29
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the easy way of seeing what a car will do is calculate an average 90ve engine and work out the compressor maps online for all turbos . Why use 90%VE? Most modern engines are better than this and a decent forced induction engine will be miles better. Even a decent N/A engine can be over 100%VE
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2817R .64
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18/01/2017 21:41
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They will only ever flow so much though......
Dont really want to go down this avenue, but all dynos vary.
Find me another/any other car with a gt28?? making 460bhp The GT2871r is a very good turbo for people wanting to break the 400BHP mark and has been proven time and time again. This was my result on FC performances Dyno and the heartbreaker dyno (Surrey rolling road) with standard head, cams, inlet manifold and exhaust manifold. http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.ph...rue#Post1452942This was running Shell Optimax 98 ron (Many think its still like the 99 ron V power but it changed a few years back) This is now my old spec so more to come this year.
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2817R .64
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19/01/2017 13:54
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They will only ever flow so much though......
Dont really want to go down this avenue, but all dynos vary.
Find me another/any other car with a gt28?? making 460bhp The GT2871r is a very good turbo for people wanting to break the 400BHP mark and has been proven time and time again. This was my result on FC performances Dyno and the heartbreaker dyno (Surrey rolling road) with standard head, cams, inlet manifold and exhaust manifold. http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.ph...rue#Post1452942This was running Shell Optimax 98 ron (Many think its still like the 99 ron V power but it changed a few years back) This is now my old spec so more to come this year. This is 20VT with gt2871R on RON 98 (external wastegate)on 0.64AR : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL_78vZ3GeMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIRPXdWSOgo
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2817R .64
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19/01/2017 17:54
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the easy way of seeing what a car will do is calculate an average 90ve engine and work out the compressor maps online for all turbos . Why use 90%VE? Most modern engines are better than this and a decent forced induction engine will be miles better. Even a decent N/A engine can be over 100%VE 90% factors into the equation many variables and is typically used in power predictions.
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2871R .64
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22/01/2017 14:01
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Julien, for me 200kmh on the clock really is 185km/h on a gps so a video like that proves nothing Nigel, I don't agree with your conclusion, sorry. It just doesn't make sense to deny facts like these: - 418bhp does 100-200km/h in 9.9s. - 328bhp does 100-200km/h in 10.1s - my 350bhp does 100-200km/h in 9.9s (I only tried it once today and am pretty sure I could be a bit quicker) OR perhaps we should ignore compressor maps, maths etc and say that me and my mate have got more than 400bhp Edit: I did anther run and managed 8.9s. For what it's worth here'so a picture (got to borrow Race Logic and measure a few more times).
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2871R .64
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07/04/2017 10:31
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Good results. But you did not have a GT28RS?
Does that turbo have much lag compared to the other one you had? I had GT28RS just before the engine went pop. Not much more lag at all. Actually, feels like there is no difference in spool. I will record and let you know when I reach the boost threshold next time I drive the car. In 3rd gear 1b @ 1750rpm then 1.7b @ 3200rpm
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2871R .64
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11/04/2017 14:00
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Oh boy, I forgot I'm using MAP sensor so what I thought was 1.7b (170kPa) @ 3200rpm was in fact 0.7b of boost. Doah! ...and this is one of the reasons that my car always produced more power than others with a GT2871R. I've just checked some of my old posts and I used to have 1 bar of boost before 3,000rpm. The benefit of a flowed head and high-lift cams....
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2871R .64
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13/04/2017 08:29
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Oh boy, I forgot I'm using MAP sensor so what I thought was 1.7b (170kPa) @ 3200rpm was in fact 0.7b of boost. Doah! ...and this is one of the reasons that my car always produced more power than others with a GT2871R. I've just checked some of my old posts and I used to have 1 bar of boost before 3,000rpm. The benefit of a flowed head and high-lift cams.... The more I investigate my tuners work the more interesting things I discover which need to be addressed. I used to make 1b at around 3.1k rpm with the same setup I have now.
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2871R .64
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20/04/2017 13:50
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Oh boy, I forgot I'm using MAP sensor so what I thought was 1.7b (170kPa) @ 3200rpm was in fact 0.7b of boost. Doah! ...and this is one of the reasons that my car always produced more power than others with a GT2871R. I've just checked some of my old posts and I used to have 1 bar of boost before 3,000rpm. The benefit of a flowed head and high-lift cams.... My boost control system has recently packed up again... First it wouldn't boost above 1bar and now it's not controlled in the least However... ...this means that, in fifth gear, 1bar at 3,050rpm and 1.7bar at just UNDER 3,500rpm. It's not mapped for this so I daren't go any further, but I do get the feeling that this would be serious fun if it was tuned to take full use of this turbo's capability - it spools like an absolute monster
F****** b****** thing...
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2871R .64
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20/04/2017 15:46
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...this means that, in fifth gear, 1bar at 3,050rpm and 1.7bar at just UNDER 3,500rpm.
You can see why I tried 2 bar - it was hilarious (and fairly short-lived....) However, when it spools that quickly, traction can become an issue
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Re: My RR Result with a Garrett GT2871R .64
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21/04/2017 07:21
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...this means that, in fifth gear, 1bar at 3,050rpm and 1.7bar at just UNDER 3,500rpm.
You can see why I tried 2 bar - it was hilarious (and fairly short-lived....) However, when it spools that quickly, traction can become an issue Without a Quaife, I could imagine it being a real handful too. I realised this morning that the old 'digital' throttle pedal is back. When Leighton mapped it, the accelerator pedal made it feel like an analogue switch. Now it's all or nothing. It makes it feel much faster - like it's effortless fast but. realistically, it's just rubbish. Will get it sorted next weekend hopefully.
F****** b****** thing...
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