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Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? #1531681
27/03/2015 09:53
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As above has anyone doubled up the rear ARB to make it stiffer?

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531683
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Don't think you would want to double up the rear ARB. You can use uprated Whiteline 22mm (same thickness as OEM but stiffer) or 24mm. There is also Eibach which I believe is 23mm but it comes with the front ARB so much more expesive than Whiteline. General consensus here was that Whiteline 22mm is the way to go for fast road plus some track days. Whereas the 24mm for a track-oriented Coupe.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531690
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Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531694
27/03/2015 11:35
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Stock rear ARB is 19mm.
Check the link in my signature.

Whiteline does not produce rear ARB now, neither Eibach or Novitec.
We are trying to male them by italian supplier.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531721
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Ultra racing 23mm is available. They come with brackets too

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531731
27/03/2015 15:16
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Final Price shipped to Europe?
I asked some months ago and it was circa 170 euros shipped + taxes, and we don t have feedback about ultra Racing...

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531734
27/03/2015 15:30
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So no one has actually tried it? I'll have to have a look to see if the ARB can be spaced a few mm from the original. Obviously the end 2/3 inches will need angle grinding off. It would be a very cheap alternative.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531737
27/03/2015 15:48
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Can you post a simple scheme to explain it?

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531741
27/03/2015 16:27
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Originally Posted By: Gimmo
Can you post a simple scheme to explain it?


Pretty self explanatory.
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Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: deannn_20VT] #1531743
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Originally Posted By: deannn_20VT
Don't think you would want to double up the rear ARB. You can use uprated Whiteline 22mm (same thickness as OEM but stiffer) or 24mm. There is also Eibach which I believe is 23mm but it comes with the front ARB so much more expesive than Whiteline. General consensus here was that Whiteline 22mm is the way to go for fast road plus some track days. Whereas the 24mm for a track-oriented Coupe.


Novitec do a 23mm Rear I've got one fitted

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Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531770
27/03/2015 18:41
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Interesting chinny
Give it a go and post the results. The forum is always interested in new thoughts & ideas wink

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531776
27/03/2015 19:23
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Originally Posted By: fiatphil
Originally Posted By: Gimmo
Can you post a simple scheme to explain it?


Pretty self explanatory.
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interesting idea thumb

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531781
27/03/2015 19:53
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Happy to give it a blast. Just need and old rear ARB.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531803
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Well, as they say you learn something new everyday. I hope that it won't be too stiff. Let us know.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531809
27/03/2015 23:49
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I think that in this way you Will have a top stiff arb.
You have to take a book of building engineering and see How to calculate static moment of a 22mm circle and of two 19mm circle bar linked together, taking into account also the distance between one bar and the other.

I think that use double bar is not a good idea, no no..

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531812
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It's worth a shot wink


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Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531836
28/03/2015 10:11
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The first picture makes sense as it's fully linked, the ones that are bracketed one fill me with fear, just not had time to work out why.

Phil, are you talking saabs of the vectra chassis era? The wooliest cars ever?

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531847
28/03/2015 11:48
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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
The first picture makes sense as it's fully linked, the ones that are bracketed one fill me with fear, just not had time to work out why.

Phil, are you talking saabs of the vectra chassis era? The wooliest cars ever?


A couple of the photos are from Saab's of the GM era but the others are from the 9000 which handled pretty well for a barge. ARM still sell the piggy rear anti roll bar for the 9000.

http://www.abbottracing.net/product.php?id_product=103

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Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531849
28/03/2015 12:22
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135 gbp? We are searching for make arb at 160gbp.. But one pièce only not this strange Construction..

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531850
28/03/2015 12:31
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Originally Posted By: Gimmo
135 gbp? We are searching for make arb at 160gbp.. But one pièce only not this strange Construction..


I was just using it as an example of what's available. If I do it it will be piggy backed with an old standard ARB. £160 Is great for a bigger rear ARB. £160 plus import tax, VAT etc + shipping is not so great. It'll end up too close to other kits available.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531861
28/03/2015 13:51
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160 + shopping, nothing else smile

http://goo.gl/sCqK1D

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531864
28/03/2015 14:03
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Originally Posted By: Gimmo
160 + shopping, nothing else smile

http://goo.gl/sCqK1D


Which = €280

Which = £205

Which = http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/271338062333?nav=SEARCH

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531877
28/03/2015 15:34
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Some person don't trust in whiteline.. I don't know why..

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531904
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Although I understand that the relationship between diameter and stiffness isn't linear, I can't help but think that TWO standard ARBs is going to be a fair bit stiffer than even the beefiest aftermarket ARB (which I believe is the 24mm Whiteline)

When I tried the 24mm, I found it too much for the road, especially with my front-end mods as well

I imagine two 19mm ARBs will have you pirouetting at every corner and it would be a nightmare on fast sweepers


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Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531920
29/03/2015 01:52
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Think its worth remembering the piggy Arb isn't attached by drop links etc at the ends. The space between the 2 Arbs also has a contributing factor regarding how "stiff" it becomes. I'll definitely look into this and hope to have an old ARB in my possession in the next week or so to try this out.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1531978
29/03/2015 13:14
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Think the braces between the two would be most important as these are transferring the load.
I'd have thought there position, quantity and construction would be very important.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1532253
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Here's an interesting read, scroll down to the double bar section:

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=112694

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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
Here's an interesting read, scroll down to the double bar section:

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=112694


Nice find.

Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: Jimbo] #1532267
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
Here's an interesting read, scroll down to the double bar section:

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=112694


So, by my calculations, the % increase in stiffness of the options available to us are:
19mm 0% (i.e. standard)
19mmx2 100.0%
22mm 79.8%
23mm 114.7%
24mm 154.6%


F****** b****** thing...
Re: Is it possible to piggy back the rear ARB? [Re: ] #1532268
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Are we sure that Coupe rear ARBs are solid? (I've never hacked one in half to find out)

From reading the article linked by Jimbo, it would appear that if they're tubular, the ratios don't work in the same way


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