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Back to coop ownership. Handling text book wanted.
#1489655
22/05/2014 19:10
22/05/2014 19:10
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goose
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As the tittle suggests. Last time I was into going fast and stopping. This time as I'm into BMW's and I do quite a bit of competition drifting I wouldent mind a coupe that handles.
I've noticed whilst doing a few searches that different engine mounts suspension arms etc etc have been developed or tested since I last had one.
Is there such a thing as a text book for a tidy handling package? Aside from just slapping coilovers on it?
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Re: Back to coop ownership. Handling text book wanted.
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#1489672
22/05/2014 20:03
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knight7660
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Depends if you want it to be a fast road car or more orientated to track action?
Nigel I think has the perfect set up for fast road and trackdays with out the use of coilovers
LE53 (452BHp & 389ftlb's with Quaife) Wine red VIS FOOFY Audi RS4 B7
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Re: Back to coop ownership. Handling text book wanted.
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#1489675
22/05/2014 20:16
22/05/2014 20:16
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goose
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Fast road. Not really for track unless as a back up car for my M3.
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Re: Back to coop ownership. Handling text book wanted.
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23/05/2014 12:13
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Nigel
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Nigel I think has the perfect set up for fast road and trackdays with out the use of coilovers Thank you Mine is very nearly where I want it now (just some tired Eibachs to replace). Its taken a long time and quite a bit of experimenting, but the current setup is as follows:- Osrav adjustable shocks Eibach springs Strut brace Subframe brace Polybushed wishbones 23mm rear ARB (standard front) Adjustable front camber - set to 1.4 degrees, but will shortly be backed off to about 1.2 Team Dynamics ProRace 1.2 wheels - 7 x 17 Quaife ATB diff I tried a polybushed rear subframe, but we bent the subframe fitting the bushes, so it made the car worse - will do it again one day Also going to try a welded front subframe - already welded, currently at the powder coaters With all the above, understeer is but a distant memory. It'll happily out-corner an M3, even in the wet. With a near-identical setup on my old Coupe, it would have been placed in the top ten of the RWD class on the handling circuit at Ten of the Best - faster than several Lotuses, including Exiges and One-Elevens However, with a tweak of the damping settings, its perfectly acceptable as a daily driver - yes, its firm, but its very well controlled. If you're ever in the Midlands, give me a shout - happy to take you out for a quick demo
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#1489877
23/05/2014 15:51
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I found the welded subframe made a lot of difference to the front end of mine, will be good to hear how much difference it makes with you and your setup mate
LE53 (452BHp & 389ftlb's with Quaife) Wine red VIS FOOFY Audi RS4 B7
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Re: Back to coop ownership. Handling text book wanted.
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23/05/2014 20:13
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I found the welded subframe made a lot of difference to the front end of mine Yes, true - welded and braced makes difference.....i was using 2 front subframes on my trackday RWD 156 few months ago(front and rear axle used same subframe) and it was great.....however i make entire new front subframe in order to use tubular wishbones replacing of one of the worst front suspensions made in Italy...... I also found that rising front or rear bush of the front wishbones with 3 to 5mm metal washers have noticeable effect on early braking and initial turn in......so called anti dive effect.....
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Re: Back to coop ownership. Handling text book wanted.
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#1490024
24/05/2014 10:48
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Craig1989
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Nigel, i always look forward to you replies. You have so much experience being the member who has probably driven the most miles in a coupe.
I think you should compile a list of the common parts. I know its here in dribbs and drabbs but spread all over the forum. I would love your experience all as a sticky.
For example what parts you think are the best, last the longest etc.
A few things would be like above, suspension, brakes, turbos etc. I cant think of a member who has been through the life of more components than you!
Craig
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#1490105
24/05/2014 18:24
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knight7660
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Nigel, i always look forward to you replies. You have so much experience being the member who has probably driven the most miles in a coupe.
I think you should compile a list of the common parts. I know its here in dribbs and drabbs but spread all over the forum. I would love your experience all as a sticky.
For example what parts you think are the best, last the longest etc.
A few things would be like above, suspension, brakes, turbos etc. I cant think of a member who has been through the life of more components than you!
Craig There's only one which I can think of which has been through around the same amount of parts/setups and that would be good old Sparco with the race car. Especially with his very hard driving style round knock hill.
LE53 (452BHp & 389ftlb's with Quaife) Wine red VIS FOOFY Audi RS4 B7
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#1492252
05/06/2014 11:58
05/06/2014 11:58
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goose
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Thanks for the input all.
I have bought ninja's old coop albeit a non runner at the mo.
His suspension set up seems solid enough to deliver yet soft enough to enjoy. I might look at the polybushing and subframe welding/bracing in due course.
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#1511696
15/10/2014 10:45
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nigel how much could you supply your setup for to us Osrav adjustable shocks Eibach springs Strut brace Subframe brace Polybushed wishbones 23mm rear ARB (standard front) also when you say weld the subframe can you explain a bit more as im really handy with a welder but textspeak want to weld the wrong bits.
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Re: Back to coop ownership. Handling text book wanted.
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15/10/2014 11:56
15/10/2014 11:56
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Nigel
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nigel how much could you supply your setup for to us Osrav adjustable shocks Eibach springs Strut brace Subframe brace Polybushed wishbones 23mm rear ARB (standard front) also when you say weld the subframe can you explain a bit more as im really handy with a welder but textspeak want to weld the wrong bits. Rough guess as follows: Shocks - £650 Springs - £250 Strut Brace - £150 Subframe brace £100 (but no longer available - they pop up secondhand every now and then) Polybushed wishbones - £120 (or about £350 with new wishbones) rear ARB (22mm or 24mm only - never seen another 23mm for sale) - £150 Labour to fit it all? - got to be close to a full day, so around £400 - £500 Total bill would be somewhere in the region of £2,000 - £2,200 A welded (and powder-coated) front subframe would add another £300 - £400 A re-furbed rear subframe with poly mounts would add about the same - another £300 - £400 Sounds like a lot, but you would end up with a car that will comfortably out-handle almost any FWD car and quite a lot of so-called sporty RWD stuff too Its also a very durable setup - my Osravs have already done 50,000 miles and feel fine (previous set did about 150,000). The polybushes on the wishbones have done over 200,000, as has the rear ARB. I've just replaced the Eibachs after about 250,000 miles
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#1511786
15/10/2014 22:55
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Gimmo
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In Italy we are searching for 22mm ARB Maybe can we create a big group buy? Maybe with also french friends that were at Spa?
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#1511815
16/10/2014 09:53
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Can anyone create a poll for a group buy?
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