New FC Dyno League Table Discussion Thread

FC Performance Dyno League
I thought it might be interesting for everyone to see the results of live mapping, so I have compiled a FC Dyno League Table! Not every car I map is taken to the dyno for power figures, and I only recently started to take a copy of the results for each car so apologies for those that are missing. I should note all these cars were run on the exact same Dastek dyno so very good for comparing the various setups.

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This Dyno table is a really good idea Leighton

I can wait to see my name in the next table

My project was temporarily discontinued since a few months because of the lack of money but i have now all the funds to finish it correctly

I want to run my car within a maximum of 2 or 3 months. I'm going to send you a pm with my full engine specifications and some last questions/advice needed before you begin the mapping part of the job

......had to be on top didn't ya pal !!

factually speaking of course !

if only my coop could hold 1.5 on the dyno, as it does on the road, we'll see

I'm just looking toward to be on that list!!

Interesting...

youve still got mine having you leighton?

Ninja

nice idea Leighton, now you just need to upload all the graphs into one place.

Founds a couple more including yours

Shall I dig out my dyno printouts Leighton?

I have your race fuel dyno chart, but nothing else. Can you email them to me?

Yes - I'll take a digital photo and send it to you.

We really need to get mine back on the dyno - when you did the mapping in summer, it was already 50psi down one one cylinder, and not brilliant on a couple of others

Took a little more boost though! You would have been near enough the same power if the limiter was extended by a few hundred rpms. More boost would swell the torque no question.

Leighton - my figures (from the April runs - we didn't dyno it in July - no point, as we knew it wasn't running right)

1.2 bar
385.6bhp @ 6555rpm, 317.2lb-ft @ 6204rpm

1.5 bar
388.9bhp @ 6496rpm, 350.8lb-ft @ 5076rpm

1.95 bar
400.8bhp @ 6365rpm, 363.1lb-ft @ 4936rpm

And just for the hell of it

1.9 bar on race fuel
420.8bhp @ 6606rpm, 358.0 lb-ft @ 5789rpm

its amazing..very good performançe...it is possible to know what this car ha???? paulwarner 20vturbo GT28RS 0.86 384bhp 328lbs 1.45bar ..

anymore additions to the table?

Disgraceful, you should be ashamed of yourself, Leighton. My competitive nature now dictates that I shall spend and spend in order to move as high as possible up the Coupe Premier League table....oh dear, this could be costly.

yey....i'm not last!

i doubt you or me will be on there too long sam - there's a few looking for increased power right now. i was going to uprate having already bought a pro alloy intercooler but cant stretch to a turbo yet, having been 15 mins from buying a good second hand one sunday....

I have a t28 waiting for a rebuild sat on my desk and my eye on a FMIC....please stop me

sell me the t28, that'll stop ya

It wasn't meant to be competitive

Of course I am more than willing to help anyone move up the ladder, plenty of options available

You would say that, you're at the top.

Isn't that where the tuner should be ?

Show off.

further expansion required methinks....

I intend to keep a top five position in that table - my car still hasn't been dyno'd with the new high-compression pistons - just waiting for the finances to get themsleves in order and it'll be time for some better injectors and a full remap

Maybe the table needs to be "equalised" by putting up the max figures at the same boost pressure, eg: 1.2 bar?

not sure about that but ambient temperature might tell a story for similar setups??

Who cares, I just want to be on that table!!

Coming to see you in January Flea!

I may need some advice before hand, speak soon!

nice table, oh and im the highest bhp GT28r hopefully that will take some beating.

Hi Leighton,

Excellent table.

One question, can you point the reason between the torque vs. boost rates. There are cars with same turbo, but boost/torque values are very different.

For example two Coupes with GT3071R turbos, same boost, but huge difference between the torque!

In my Coupe both GT28RS and GT3071R have been given quite similar torque values with same amount of boost.

Regards,

Jari

That I've wondered about too.

Since you have WI can i count my 28r with nitrous

I claim highest RSR then,

Depending on Flea's availability, I hope to be on there just after New Year, it's just going to be too tight before Xmas, unless you're working between Xmas and New Year.... ;-)

and i seem to have the highest standard set-up......

Jari the three cars with GT3071R's have different engine setups, so that will probably be a big factor in the difference in torque.

Eldinho

2047cc
Ported head with 3 angle valve seats
C&B cams
Raised CR 9:1

Westcoupe

2047cc
Raised CR 9:1

Luke's old 20VT

C&B cams
Standard CR and displacement

Yes, they are all quite different in terms of specification. Luke also had a small exhaust at 2.5" with the decat pipe only 2.25" so very restrictive. It did sound like a jetfighter though!

Of course some engines respond better for reasons that are are not always overtly evident, that's tuning for you...

Okay, now I understand .
Yes, the exhaust like that is really very, very restrictive.

So, the list is not that simple at all. The values are not necessary comparable, if you don't know the whole truth of the setup's.

Anyway, list like that done in very same RR is excellent. That's why we always use also the same RR everytime to see the difference after what ever we have done.

-Jari-

yeah, smaller exhausts sound like jets in coupes with more than std power or with decats, scares passers by!

I agree - my car is quieter with a full 3" system than it was with the SuperSprint

Any idea what my old one put out after you mapped it Flea?

Woohoo, I'm now on there and making 'bout tree-fiddy' before the 3" downpipe

could you change owl10 to ryangt ?

Yippee I get to go on the table next time its up-dated...
Car runs GREAT after Flea's done his stuff.

not many 16vts anyone had theres mapped and know their results??

How much power, Fullpint.

282.9bhp, Flea seemed very pleased not only with the result but also the health condition of my Coupe which was nice to hear..

Cool...

what kind of power would i get from my 16vt fully standard apart from fmic

Unfortunately there are very few 16vts about so the number left for mapping is quite limited. I have done four now although only one has been on the FC dyno!



Assuming the car is healthy and producing a standard 195bhp, then I would like to see somewhere between 230-240bhp. Of course it's not just about the headline figures, gains will be made across the full rpm range including off boost and part throttle.

sounds good think ill book a day down in summer how much for a live map and a rolling road

And i'll be back again in a couple months.. Bigger and healthier than last time! Map is deffo gonna need tweaking... Then maybe I could sneak into the TOP TEN!?

Nick

Flea, have you ever had a car on the rollers before and after the remap?

I was thinking about the results my hybrid made the other day. As you know it made 292bhp at Track'n'road on the GTiR but I wasn't able to get a booking at Circuit Motors when it was mapped.

The mapped RS did go on your rollers (Circuit Motors) and made 342bhp but subsequently made only 315bhp at Track'n'Road.

I know you explained how this difference could be caused (I won't get into a 'rollers vs' discussion gear used, heat soak, inertia vs load etc), but adding a fixed % gives me 317bhp, adding a fixed figure gives 319bhp.

What do you think the GTiR would have made on your rollers?

The GTi-R is the same as the Hybrid S2 (both 60mm compressors), and as you can see they average 285-295bhp so the same as your Track n Road 292bhp run.

The GT28RS 0.86 is a big turbo and can flow up to 380bhp no problem, so your current 342bhp is just tickling it at the minute until you get some exhaust upgrades.

im loving how im still managing to hold onto a spot in the top 10 after selling up!

seeing my figures makes me really miss my coupe!

never new the rsr could put out that much power

Yippee Im on the table.

Damn.. I would if I could.

Extremely happy with my figures on standard internals

Mate, just checked you out on the power chart, 1.35 bar boost and nearly 370bhp, thats bloody good!
Whats your full spec?
When was your car mapped?

I actually mapped it a year ago in March, but didn't have chance to get it on the dyno then. Take a look here for more info

A couple of updates

Leighton I may have to come down and get a race fuel map ready for TOTB, hopefully concrete my 3rd place a bit more although its slightly cheating!

Leighton,

I just bumped into Paul Warner at the cash point and hour ago. He's sold his coop on now apparently (burning too many clutches and engine moints or something), but he's convinced he was running a GT2871R, not a GT2860RS 0.86. Do you know something he doesn't as I'm sure we spoke about this at some point...

Don't worry - my fourth place figure is on race fuel

He wasn't sure, the only thing I can go on is how the car performed i.e. turbo spool, and of course the mapping. There is really no discernible difference in power ouput between a GT28RS 0.86 and a GT2871R 0.64.




Nothing wrong with race fuel, the 2.4 lot quoted these figures for years

I think i might be moving up a few places me thinks

Ben

Anyone that has had their car mapped by Leighton will know about "the call"

It always the call that you've been waiting for with equal measures of anticipation and dread - is it producing good power, or is there a problem.

My car has always been a right royal pain for Leighton - its NEVER gone perfectly, and this time was no different.

After fitting the 440cc injectors, one of the injector clips has broken - its secure enough for now but it'll need replacing.

then the bonnet cable broke, but only once Leighton had got all his cabling and sensors fitted

Now the MAF is playing up a bit, so that needs doing.

However, when he put it on the dyno, it all became worthwhile

I'l let Leighton publish the figures, but suffice to say, I'm pretty happy

Moving into the top 3 i think Nigel

fingers crossed

Ben

And all you have changed is the pistons?

9:1 CR Accralite pistons and a 3" straight-through pipe

I'll post the full details tomorrow but it's most definately in the 400 club! The cold weather is certainly helping big power cars somewhat, but there is no question that Nigel's car is faster than ever, warp factor 9 at 4500rpm to the redline!

You tease

looks like 2nd place could be a taker !

best I get the race fuel out, like any weasly 2.4r

Looking forward to your results Nigel!
Be good to see fleas magic work again!!!

I reckon that it will be around 440, with the injectors nearly maxing out and that the 3" full exhaust has helped, even though Nigel liked to say that his Supersprint was up to the job

if we are taking guess'e on the power out put im going to take a stab and say 480Bhp!

i'll go for 430

Begbie - you're right - while the SuperSprint was obviously capable of allowing about 400bhp, it was clearly holding me back

As well as the peak power, I'm mighty impressed at the figures at "everyday" boost - I tend to run 1.2 bar daily, using 1.5 as a maximum on the road and 1.9 for drag runs and TOTB. Leighton 'only' mapped it to 1.7 bar this time, as he said that's where the efficiency was - any higher and it wasn't really producing any more power (although I guess the torque was probably impressive)

C'mon Leighton - spill the beans....

(actually, he's doing another car today, so may not post for a while)

do you even no the bhp nigel?

and the big question is... is this it for you or have you got more in the pipe line to do?

Yes



Nope - that's it

It's now spooling up very early (1 bar by 3,200rpm) and with the bigger injectors, there is now no drop-off until it hits the limiter at 7,300

Due to my ever-increasing overdraft and Leighton's persistence at overcoming the niggles, my car is now where I've always wanted it - huge, broad, usable power.

Next on my list is suspension (Gaz coilovers if I can find the cash) and some urgently-needed paintwork (rusty arches and rear quarter)

Glad you are where you want it Nigel. I'm happy with mine as well. I don't want to chase figures, I may one day get it on the rollers on a cold day to see if it would make more power. But at the end of the day it will still be the same car.

Next time we meet nigel, can you take me for a spin please!
i really want to see what your is like!!

sounds like its mental!

im really looking forward to seeing your power figuer's!

the fact that is not dropping off till 7,300 must be lovely with a nice constant flow of power!
must be an animal!!

Whats the figures then Nigel?

I can only remember a couple of the figures - I'll let Leighton tell the whole story

I'll be making a post today

Bloody 'ell hurry up mate.

Woohoo

Second place in the bhp league, but comfortably in 1st place for torque

Surely you mean



It must be great fun to drive on your usual work run

I'm looking forward to seeing how far mine gets up that table next week

TBH, its a bit TOO fast - just a brief flexing of the right foot plants me very firmly into ban territory - three figures comes up with ridiculous ease

Fuel consumption hasn't been very good this week, as I've left it at 1.5 bar, just for the entertainment

No wonder you are getting planted to your seat Nigel at that boost. Mine doesn't stay on there for long at all, the turbo just spools so much more.

Sounds like you are having fun though

14th and on a hybrid

(Not that I care about figures, or anything )

i just cant belive its kicking that much power on a hybrid!!
so jealous!!

must be one healthy engine to respond like that! lucky lol

hi mate do i get 12th spot with 358.7 ? ..also just wondering about my torque figures comparing it against others of similar and lower power what would make mine lower?

before my bottom end went last week she was making 328bhp, i reckon i should move up

Table updated

P.S. Steve, we will complete a proper run for yours

is that a guarantee?

wow mine really does produce a good amount of torque compared to others around me on the graph

What's the secret to all that torque leon1? What spec are you running?

be nice to see the table updated Leighton, 502bhp is astounding to contemplate given that my relatively modest output is scary enough

The table has been updated! There is another 400 club to be added, indeed it is closer to the 500 club but that will be revealed in due course.

FC Performance is also evolving, you may have noticed the odd little bit of information filtering through, but behind the scenes there is plenty of development on the Coupe front so look out for some new updates

Think I may have to go for some upgrades later in the year. Or just sell up!

Im guessing the TB28 is a standard turbo?

If so, why are some at 1.3 bar and some at 1.2?

i thought 1.2 was the highest you could go on a standard turbo?

Pete

No - its the recommended max when EVERYTHING else is standard - if you have uprated intercooling, fuel pump mod and good boost control, you can go a little higher

It really depends on the car - some engines will take it, some won't

This is the benefit (beauty) of live mapping, no two cars are created equal. If you look at the league table as a whole, then there are general patterns forming, but each car is tuned on an individual basis to give optimum performance.

Okee dokee.

Mine next week.

Cant wait.

Just been knocked out of the top 10 by 3bhp!

mine still seems to be showing 278 as opposed to the 351bhp on run 4 recently

Steve, your eyesight is clearly suspect what with those purple watsits, but look again and you should see double such is your prowess!

the table needs updating MR Flea theres some dead coupes on there and some owners that havent got the cars anymore (samsite ect)

I won't be changing things like that, not least because it is too hard to keep track of all these movements!

Netherless, the results are still relevant to the structure of the table, which is really about comparing the various setups on the exact same dyno.

i know this sounds a bit hard to managed but could you break the list up into sections..

like...
400+bhp club
300bhp+ club
standard re-map club??

Ambient temps would be good.

how about jumper colours, or people who have ginger friends?

For this reason, I'd like to see multiple entries for the same person where the specs are widely different.

mate... your digging your own hole for the AGM pranks!!! lol

but if you want jumper colours and you have ginger friends.. then ask Uncle flea and he may do it for you!!

Some quick motors on there.
Hats off though to Flea ,not only are they pushing big power but there reliable as well.
Something that prior to Fc Performance that was always a concern.
Well done.

Damn wheres my car going come on that table i duno exact figures yet

Wasn’t it somewhere around 2nd place lol

Couple of updates

can you put mine on there to please Leighton? It might help me sell it quicker!

Gt28RS.064 housing 339bhp 317lbs

~Thanks!

Did you ever run it at 1.6 bar?

Flea, there are no prices on the website at the moment?

Also I have an HKS EBC, is this included in the price of set up as it is not on the list of EBC's.

Cheers.

Karl, found the prices mate

http://www.fcperformance.co.uk/fiat-coupe-20v-turbo.php#prices

cheers mate, the page wouldn't load earlier and the prices link didn't seem to work.

Knew i'd seen it before, was wondering if a sale was happening

PMSL

A few updates!

oooh is that me on there,in the middle
great job leighton,the old girl is mental now
sorry about my test drive shock pmsl
I'l be good with the right foot from now on.

Eh??? where am I???
Maastiff TB28 271bhp 271lbs/ft 1.25bar

nice to see a punto on there, what engine is in it, serious power @ 248bhp!!

I have few more to put on, you came at a time where the printer wasn't working so everything is on disc!

The Punto is very impressive, mapped it on Saturday. Still a 1.4 but with a GT25R turbo and associated mods.

Andy, it's not what you had done that made me laugh, it was thinking it was normal i.e doesn't everyone

Two further updates needed - My old 300bhp porto is now Workshys, and Dave T's obviously now mine.

And of course we haven't run the dyno on my new car since the remap with the uprated fpr the other week?!

Small complaint on your dyno Mr flea.
The abbreviation of the 3rd place named JBT is unnecessary and somewhat bad manners.
I think a full name will be in order when you surrender the first place to me next week

is there any way of attaching the dyno graphs to the league table so we can see spool up rates and torque curves etc

Thats fighting talk!! Hehehe

Get your results up asap mate

Davie

I'm slipping down the table Need to get on page 1
Very impressed with that Punto though

Cant yet as hes not got it .
Im still waiting for a few mins to sort the oil leak from the gearbox and sort the water injection.

I don't see my name up there either!

that new table is brilliant!!!!!!!

good work to all involed!

iam sure Technics was 381bhp,leader with RSR. in the old table

Im STILL not on it

There you go

Dave_t still has a coop very similar to mine?

And my old superspool is now owned by Workshy...

Other than those two issues it's a nice improvement. Obviously paying for your advertising has prompted the quality improvement

No I don't! See below ...

Great new table with graphs Leighton!

Hopefully I'll move up a few places on the 22nd

i'm on twice - don't mind though

Leighton

The car next to my name is now owned by JLow75.

My current stead may make it onto your list sometime next year though

Still the same

Flea can you confirm the different specs of the hybrids you've mapped? Taking the specs from the Power Italia list I'm guessing it's like this:

Stage 1 Hybrid
Standard Turbo (50 trim compressor wheel) with 360 deg thrust bearing

Stage 2 Hybrid (aka GTiR):
As stage 1 with 60 trim compressor wheel

Stage 3 Hybrid:
62 trim compressor wheel, T28 high flow turbine wheel, uprated 0.8 bar Actuator) inc 360 deg thrust bearing.

What is confusing is that Rog has listed them differently to the above

Option 1:
Standard Turbo (50 trim compressor wheel) but with 360 deg thrust bearing

Option 2:
Stage 1 (60 trim compressor wheel) inc 360 deg thrust bearing


Option 3:
Stage 2 (62 trim compressor wheel, T28 high flow turbine wheel, uprated 0.8 bar Actuator) inc 360 deg thrust bearing


If this is the case does this mean that you are getting around 300bhp from a standard turbo, presumably with a decat?

The TB28 is the standard turbo, whether this has uprated seals etc, it won't give any performance benefit so it is as "standard".

I have based the hybrid stages according to the general consensus as used by most on here, including Rog and other specialists.

I see. So what would a GTiR turbo be classed as? Stage 1 or stage 2?

I would say the GTiR is a turbo on it's own!

If I remember correctly the GTiR has a 60 comp and a 60 trim....

I'm sure some one will correct me!!

And I'm still not up there. I travelled all the way accross the vast Irish Sea and you still won't put me on the League table

Come on Leighton mate, I still see you are top of the league table,

guys please

could you have a dyno of a coupe 20v turbo + (6 gears) stock version ?

or a 20v turbo stock (5 gears)

thanks a lot my friends

Leighton you need to quote the boost recorded at peak power, not peak boost to peak power? Very confusing and inaccurate mate.

Thanks
Barbz

6th? - what on earth am I doing in 6th place? - good grief, I'm feeling distinctly ordinary....

I thought you were 7th ?

Well, strictly, yes, but "two" of the people above me are the same person with the same car, dyno'd on two separate occasions

Still no Truffle on the list Leighton

UP please

but there to different engines Nigel.

League updates... can you spot your car Truffle!

About time this was updated Fleabag.Youll soon need another table.

Yeah he'll need a premier league and championship league

A few updates from the past couple of months

Notable results are Ollie with a new PowerMax turbo record of 356bhp! We also have Ben with 402bhp on a standard engine! This was achieved with an FC Performance upgrade package designed to stretch the limits without breaking the bank. I should note that this car is pretty much a track only weapon too!

Proccy, you and I would be in the conference, or playing NewCo Rangers.....

Good grief - I'm tenth in the table with over 450bhp :eek:

Must resist the temptation....

Actually you're 8th if only JBT's top figure counts - imo each entrant should only have one entry per car so its easier to see the absolute table

In fact if all the double/triple entries and broken cars were removed i might make the top 30

my bravo isnt on there

Ninja

Good point - my entry is actually for my old Sprinty - the Moonie produced about 5bhp less, although it should do better when I get some bigger injectors

I don't agree. I think every time a coop goes on these rollers with a different spec, the results should go up. It's a good way of seeing the results of a lot more set-ups on the same rollers. On the same engine is even better!

That said, I understand the whole 'league table' thing. Maybe two such charts would be better?

Perhaps it just needs an option to "show only the best result per owner"

Yeah, I know im on there twice, as are alot of people.

If they have paid their money for map or dyno runs why shouldn't they be on there for each set up

Just a suggestion guys, don't beat on me

Being a simple person i don't like such complication when viewing what is described as a "league" table when it actually isn't, quite..........

League table for the car specs not the owners steve

All Steve see's is food.. if eh cant eat it, it confuses the old chap

I realise that thanks Mick, but my point was one car can have 3 or 4 entries therefore...........oh forget it

A few new entries, some at the top and some at the bottom A nice Punto GT in the middle with 336bhp!

336bhp in a Punto, that'll be fun!

26th spot for me... Wahoo!!
I know 16v's produce more torque than 20v's ....
But I didn't realise by THAT MUCH....

3119 ft lb hey..... That should pin me in my seat... Lol

Nick

Im not on there Leighton !!

Looking at some of the numbers though...i'll be near the bottom !

A few more updates to the league table, and yes you are on there Rich

Any chance of an update Leighton? I'm sure plenty of other cars can go on since it was last modified.

Also, I'd like to see my old numbers stay on there too

I think my car was at number 50 but she`s probably down in P70 by now.
Power isn`t everything though.

Check out the dung beetle...goes like stink and looks like shit!

Yes the last update was a while back, quite a few cars to go on so will see what I can do!

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